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| One more idea if he really does not want the full suit buy him a bow tie to go with white shirt. Just one from Debenhams or M & S that you do not want to tie. I bet when he is in board and has not got one he will send you to the shop to buy one. When is your cruise?
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| Heather74 => I have tried to persuade hubby to get a tux but.... He says not a chance! I was exactly the same a few years ago ... I have just bought myself a dinner jacket (instead of the usual black suit I usually take). I also have got myself some formal shirts (M&S for less than £15) and a selection of bowties (from tieman1949 on ebay).
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| I don't understand this reluctance to wear a dinner suit (is a Tuxedo different?) it's just a suit .....mine is actually the most comfortable thing I have, as I buy one to actually fit me & admit I am fatter than I would like!! like a shirt with a bigger collar.
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jtd - it is called freedom of choice.
David
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| We are all different JTD .. I hate wearing suits and in particular I detest wearing anything tight around my neck ... also I find wearing ties makes me uncomfortably warm (nowhere for all that heat to go ... and I am hot stuff, you know). I know I am not alone in this which is why I think many peoples biggest fear is that everyone will be given the choice on what to wear on amy given night ... if that were to happen I honestly believe that after a few years formal nights would all but disappear .. therefore to retain the 'ambience', which I believe most people enjoy (every once in a while), a dress code needs to be enforced and rightly policed. I was recently chairing a meeting which, unfortunately, was in full suit and tie (how old fashioned) ... after a few hours the room was quite warm so I suggested that the gents could loosen or remove their ties (after all it was my meeting) ... given the choice it became obvious what the preference was ... not a tie in site.
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| David63, I an not saying anything about freedom of choice just, like Ken comfort, he finds suits & ties uncomfortable however well fitting, I would rather be in casual myself but it is nice to dress up now & again. I mainly like it because my wife, who spends most of her time in scruffy clothes at home, REALLY looks forward to her time on a cruise where she can do her nails, have her hair done, have spa treatments & dress up & I like to see her like this as well, she looks lovely too. As far as dress goes I go with the flow, if the ship says dress this way I agree to that when I book & adhere to the dress code....don't forget our 1st cruise was on OV!
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| Ken: Meetings that go on for more than a few hours are probably unproductive of time, far more than folk getting hot wearing poorly fitted garments, garments made from man-made materials, or winter suitings during a heat-wave. It is disrespectful not to wear a suit and tie at a meeting unless told not to do so. When I have been to 'classroom' training sessions, where the dress code says casual. I would still wear a sports jacket/blazer/light jacket and a bow-tie.
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| Heather, are you already booked with P&O, because if not, I recommend Norwegian Cruise Line. We did Alaska 3 years ago with them - informal all the way - and we really enjoyed it. HOWEVER, once I had persuaded hubbie to join in with Arcadia, Ventura and the like on P&O he really had a good time (once the very first formal evening was over) and now we have no problem at all with formal evenings. I think there is far too much hype about the "dress code" - if they are tidy, clean, with a nice suit, shirt, bow tie (which fits and isn't too tight) the men find themselves having a great time, and of course we ladies love to dress up to match them don't we ???? Just relax and enjoy - it's not something to be worried about for months ahead. That rather ruins the anticipation of what will be a fabulous holiday.
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| Derek, I work in a different industry to you where meetings/workshops can sometimes go on across several days or even weeks, and they do vary in productivy from 'OK' to 'very'. Whether or not garments are ill fitting is up to each individual and I am sure many of them would argue their case. I disagree with your assertion about 'respect', every body turned up in a suit because it was EXPECTED and a hangover from days gone by whereby some manager has not quite grasped that peoples attitude towards work does not depend on what they wear. When I gave them the choice they all showed their real 'preference'. I am lucky to work for a modern company that does not force a dress code upon its employees .. apart from when on client site (when they EXPECT us to wear a suit & tie). However when in the office the gents come in in tee-shirt and jeans, some in collared shirts and chinos and some in suits with and without ties. To me it is about comfort and I personally find it somewhat antiquated that adults should need to seek permission to remove excess garments that serve no real purpose to be comfortable. However I would agree that where there is a stated dress code people should adhere to it.
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